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Thursday Thirteen – Conversations with the dead

If you had a chance to speak with the dead, who would you pick? Usually ghost whisperers end up talking to the ghosts who happen to be around – the nasty woman who lives on the corner, the plumber who died in the basement, etc.

But what if you could pick?

In honor of All Soul’s Day, here’s my list of dead people I’d like to have a conversation with.

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Thursday Thirteen

1. Marilyn Monroe:

Marilyn Monroe

Like a lot of women, I’ve always felt strong affinity to Marilyn. I’d love to sit down with her for a chat. What was it like to be loved so intensely by Joe Di Maggio? What was Los Angeles like when she lived there? Did her scalp peel and burn with the hair treatments? How was it to grow old with her beauty? More than anything, I’d love to uncover the heart of a dragon that hid behind her rabbit exterior.

2. Darby Crash:

Darby Crash

You probably don’t know Darby. He was someone who had a huge impact on my life. (I even still wear three earrings in my left ear because of Darby.) I was devastated when he killed himself. I’d love to chat about the friends we had in common and the way the world changed.

3. Jean Paul Sartre:

Jean Paul Sartre

My father used to say that I was a decent person until I read Sartre. I took it as a compliment. Sartre changed my life. I would love to tour the catacombs with Sartre. I’d love to know how he could be so different in thought and mind yet so brave with his difference.

4. James Dean:

James Dean

James Dean and I share a birthday. I’d sit down with a pack of cigarettes and talk to him about life as an Aquarian.

5. Napoleon Hill:

Napoleon Hill

Napoleon Hill single handedly launched the self-help movement with his Think and Grow Rich. An amazing person, he postulated many of the ideas we take for granted now – finding people of like mind, “thoughts are things”, goal setting, working to define your values. More than anything he defined riches as monetary and personal – family, children and love. Gosh, if I had a chance to talk to Napoleon Hill? Let’s just say, I’d have a lot to ask.

6. Joseph Smith:

Joseph Smith

You may not know this, but I’m terrified of Mormons. Yes, it’s an irrational fear. I’m just not sure what Stephen Covey, Robert Allen and the like are up to. Anyway, I am simply fascinated by Joseph Smith. Who was this guy? What gave him the power and conviction to start his own thing? What’s up with the alien theories? Book? Breast plate? Sword?

7. Timothy Mc Veigh:

Timothy McVeigh

Maybe it’s true. Tim and Terry (they use to call them “T&T” at the SuperMax) decided to blow up a FBI building in Oklahoma. But what if it isn’t true? What if information was repressed by the government? What if he was really just a good soldier? We’ll never know. If I had a chance to talk to Tim Mc Veigh, I’d just listen to what he had to say.

8. Glenn Miller:

Glenn Miller

Only forty years old when he died, his music distinctive music lingers sixty years after his disappearance. My Aunt Betty, Uncle Izzy, Aunt Audrey and my father saw him once at the Venice Beach Pavillion and danced until dawn. Brave enough to create and promote his original sound, he was brave enough to travel with the United States Military in World War II. I’d ask Glenn Miller about the music and the United States in the 1930s and 1940s. I’d ask him about World War II. Maybe he’d even play for me!

9. Saint Francis de Assisi:

St. Francis de Assisi

Francis was an amazing human being. His faith unstoppable he launched the order of the Franciscans. On September 22, 1224, a six-winged angel on a cross appeared and gave Francis the stigmata – the five wounds of Christ. And Francis thought that was cool. Go figure. He was also a champion for the environment. Amazing guy. I would want to hear about everything – the angel, the stigmata, his garden, birds, his trip to convert the sultan…. everything.

10. Lao Tzu:

Lao Tzu

A humble monk, he authored the Tao Te Ching when requested by a sentry. He lived well past the age of 160 in the forth century B.C. The Tao Te Ching is pertinent and interesting more than two thousand years later. My guess is that Lao Tzu wouldn’t speak to me. Maybe we could meditate together or just hang out over a pot of tea.

11. J. Robert Oppenheimer:

Oppenheimer at Los Alamos

Robert Oppenheimer was the director of the Manhattan project and is called the father of the atom bomb. If you ever get a chance to speak to someone who was involved with the project, ask about Dr. Oppenheimer. He was fearlessly cheerful, he is said to have held the project, and all of the genius scientists, together by sheer force of personality. This is a man who changed the world July 16,1945 when the first atomic bomb exploded in the desert of New Mexico. There’s so much to ask about that time and what has happened since that time. How did he feel about the bombing of Japan? What would he make of the cold war?

12. Madame C. J. Walker:

Madame C. J. Walker

Madame Walker was the first self-made black woman millionaire. This is an amazing woman. She picked cotton as a child, was orphaned at seven years old, widowed at twenty and started a hair empire in 1907. She believed that money was not an end to itself and believed in philanthropy. She employed thousands of black women to sell her hair products. If I had a chance to speak with Madame Walker, I would ask her how she kept going when her gender, her race, her class, everything was stacked against her. I asked Liz from Los Angelista if she’d like to go. She said, “I’d love to speak with her. I’d like to ask her how she managed her business so well in a time when black women didn’t get much respect. It’d be interesting to find out from her what she thinks of the current state of black women’s hair.” Yay! It’s a date!

13. All those guys (Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Moses):

You know, I think if I got these guys together? They would probably get along quite well. That’s what I’d do, by the way. I get them together, put on a pot of tea, and chat. Who knows? Maybe we’d have a miracle-go-round. How ’bout if we let Lao Tsu keep score? (Yes, yes, that’s sacrilegious. I thought it was kind of funny.)

Four brave men.

Four brave leaders.

What would they say to each other?

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10. Lara
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  • That is an amazingly well thought out and though provoking list. Not sure how I found my way here. But that list and its explanations are enough to make me come back tomorrow and read your past posts and see what you are all about.
  • Robin - CJ Walker is amazing and so inspiring! Yay!
  • CJ Walker sounds fascinating, I just read an article about her recently.
  • BottleBlonde - Napoleon Hill is the bomb! What would you ask Jesus?

    Amanda - I'm fairly new to TT's as well. We'll learn together?

    Kevin - Go figure. We're both Aquarians. I love the idea of looking at Abe Lincoln's hands. He was a childhood hero of mine. Maybe I should hang a picture....

    No Nonsense Girl - You do have a new job afterall! You can join me in my conversation. Little Timmy was big... and scary... I don't think we would get a chance to do much ass kicking!
  • I can't believe I've missed your TT!!! I would like to have a talk with most of them... well except timothy mcveigh, he'd get a kick in the ass... I dunno, I'd listen to him too...


    :)
  • You are SUCH the shizz. Truly. And I KNEW that you were an aquarian. Me too, sister.

    I'd like to meet Abe Lincoln. I often long to hear his voice, see the veins in his hands, see how he gazed... I have a framed pic of him on my study wall.
  • nice list! i'm new to the tt so i thought i'd say hi!!
  • This is certainly a stellar post, Claudia! You have a great list of ghosts there.

    Aside from Jesus, I'd love to meet Napolean Hill. Think and Grow Rich is one of my all time faves!
  • Christy - Would you like to come along with me?? Sounds fun, eh?

    Jenny - Yes. MLK would be fascinating - another Aquarian! And what a delightful message. Let's hope he knows that.

    Odat - I'm sorry about your Dad - that's really hard. Ghandi would be interesting. Fascinating man!
  • Wonderful list!
    I would add my Dad to mine...he died when I was very young....and Ghandi too.
    Peace
  • Love these...especially the last one. To be a fly on the wall.

    I think I'd talk to MLK Jr. To tell him things got better. And that he made a difference.
  • I'd love to be able to talk with Marilyn as well. So beautiful she was and yet so young she died.
  • Leeann - Easy for you to say. It's not your irrational fear!

    CajunVegan - It would be great to talk to them as well. Can I tag along with you??

    Gattina - She was amazing. She started here in Denver and is a bit of a celebrity here. As well she should be!

    Chuck Bartok - Cool, thanks for the link
  • Fantastic post.....Fascinating collection of peopll.

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  • From all persons listed Madame C. J. Walker interests me the most ! what an amazing woman !
    But I think you have to wait a little bit to talk to all these people, until you find out if they are in heaven or hell and then where would you go, lol ???
  • I would love to have conversations with Annelies Marie Frank, Mark Twain, Henry David Thoreau, and so many more.

    I found you via Lara Angelina and will be visiting again.
  • We Mormons aren't all that scary! :)
  • Blue Momma - That would be an interesting conversation. I also wonder if he really knew what was going on. Probably. I just wonder, you know? Good question for the messiah round table. What would they think....?

    Kelly - Um, honey, your Gaydar is broken. You can make out with him but you don't have the right parts. Sorry.

    Heart in SF - Yeah. It's funny because I just put the list together without thought then saw that each of these people was brave and successful in their own right. I mean, little timmy was wrong but successful none the less. Ew can I come with you to talk to those folks??

    Chelle Y. - I would have never thought of Francis Scott Key but what a great question to ask. Can I come along?

    Titania - I'm certain you are right.
  • I'm with you all the way on the last one! I have my suspicions that we botched up the original messages real bad. :o)

    This was an awesome T13! Well done.
  • I would like to talk to Francis Scott Key! I wonder what made him so inspired to write our National Anthem! I mean, I know what they say in the history books, but I want his own opinion!
  • heart in san francisco
    A most interesting list with the common theme of being pioneers, for the most part, and therefore brave.

    The idea of the heads of various religions sitting at table together is fascinating. I suspect that they would mostly agree about things, and that it's their followers who have often gone astray in their name.

    I am intrigued by Marie Laveau, Lady Murasaki, and Joan of Arc, Zora Neale Hurston, Shakespeare and Mark Twain, Steinbeck, Sarah Bernhardt, and the Buddha. And there are questions I would like to ask my parents, if I could.
  • mmmm... James Dean...

    If he comes back, can I make out with him? ;-)
  • Of all the 'souls' you included on your list, I would love to spend time with Lao Tzu the most. I've been reading The Tao Te Ching for years and just when I think I have something understood a new thought comes along. I find it fascinating that such a simple work, written over 3500 years ago contains the wisdom of the ages.

    Great list! Happy TT!!
  • This was a really thought provoking list. I think I'd like to talk to Hitler and just ask him what the hell he was thinking. Did he really believe his own propaganda or are the theories of his mental illnesses true?

    I'd like to sit in on #13, too. What would these men think of the state of the world today? And I wonder what they'd think about how their thoughts/teaching have evolved over the centuries.
  • Aline de Chevigny - You bet. We'll go together. He was supposed to be so charismatic that I think we'd need each other for support!

    The Gal Herself - Now that would be interesting, wouldn't it? Some are too scary - Ted Bundy? Too frightening!

    Geek-Betty - Hey those are great ideas! Although I don't know your great-gran. I bet she's lovely.
  • wow great topic!
    I think I'd like to talk to my great-grandmother, Abe Lincoln, and Edgar Allen Poe.
  • Your mention of Tim McVeigh sent me in a different direction than I normally would have gone in. If we're talking (potential) bad guys, I'd like to pull Lee Harvey Oswald aside and ask, "OK, so what REALLY happened, and why?" BTW, thanks for visiting my TT
  • Love the list, I'm an aquarian too so can I sit in onthe talk with James Dean?
    Only person I would add is Madame Currie, love to know how it felt to discover something so spectacular.

    Aline
  • Lorelei - Glad to get the brain working! ;)

    Nikki - Elvis? That would be fun. Yes Francis. I mean, if an angel did that to me? I'd be pissed. Think of the scars!

    Amy - Anyone you'd like to speak with?

    Sassy - It's fun to think about, eh?
  • That is an awesome list. Made me really think who I would love to talk to. Happy TT.. and thanks for stopping by!!
  • Very intriguing list!!! Some great names to talk to on there. Happy TT!!!
  • A definite yes to St. Francis of Assisi......perhaps that's the 12 years of Catholic Parochial school in me. I'd also like to add Elvis to your list.
  • Great list, lots to think about :)
  • FuriousBall - I bet that would happen but only after they did the miracle-go-round and one person was declared the clear winner. Then they'd drink and pull fingers.

    Marcia - There is an alien thing. Joseph Smith was said to have found a gold breast plate. It's supposed to be at the temple in Salt Lake City.

    Grace - Good question. Did you see that the latest person claiming to be a reincarnation says that Marilyn killed herself.

    Wolfie - It's fun to think about, eh? Let me know if you decide!
  • Interesting list..I can't decide who I'll want to talk to..
  • More than anything, I would like to ask Marilyn Monroe who killed her. Happy TT!
  • Amazing list that would be interesting The Mormons don't have any alien or sword things maybe that is scientology? at least for the aliens.
  • I think it would be cool to get all the deities drunk and see how they act around each other, like would Buddha loosen up and ask Jesus to pull his finger?
  • Damozel - McVeigh was here in Colorado - tried downtown and lived here in Florence until his death. He's a bit of a fascination because I know people who work/worked at SuperMax. They called him little Timmy - although he was 6'2".

    Ancsweetnsassygal - Great additions. They would be fun to speak with as well! I've always admired them. Plus have you seen the reconstructions of Washington? He was super foxy! ;)

    Michael C - Of course, you are welcome to tag along. Well have our own excellent adventure.

    Yen - You can come along with me!

    Janet - I do love George Harrison. That's a good choice.

    Xakara - Boy can I come for tea with Marilyn, Dorothy and Josephine?? Amazing brave women and great choices. Roddenbarry, Serling (a hero of mine) and Poe at once? No that sounds like fun!

    Slick - I think it's a West vs. East thing - most of the modern people were involved here in the West. I wouldn't mind a conversation with Walter Payton - he had the finest... um.... running style. ;)
  • Your education is showing through...I don't know half these people.

    Interesting post nonetheless.

    I'd want to well, Mom (that's the obvious) but I'd also love to chat with Walter Payton. One of the greatest running backs of all time, in my opinion.
  • We have some of the same people on our list.

    I think I'd add Martin Luther King Jr. I'd want to know what he thought could be done now to rally those still fighting to be their best selves.

    Gene Roddenberry, Rod Serling, Edgar Alan Poe...all at once.

    Sitting down with Marilyn Monroe, Dorothy Dandridge and Josephine Baker all at the same dinner party, following their lives and loves, and in the case of Marilyn and Dorothy, touching on lives cut much too short by tragedy and how they would live those last days differently...

    Great list and wonderfully thought provoking.

    ~X
  • Interesting thoughts...I'd love to talk to George Harrison myself. He seemed to be an amazing man.
  • Yen
    What a great list you have here! And I like your captions on everyone of them...I'd love to sit down with #7 too!

    Happy TT!
  • That is a MUCH better list than the one I would make...maybe I can just tag along with you???
  • Very interesting list, some of whom I am not familiar with. I would add George Washington and Abraham Lincoln: Washington, because he faced the unknown of being the first president of this new fledgling country, and Lincoln because he faced some of the darkest and bloodiest days of this country during the Civil War. Great TT, I really enjoyed reading it. Happy Thursday!
  • That's one of the best lists of the sort I've read---mainly because I have some of the same people on my list, including Sartre (my dad said the same thing) and Lao Tzu (who sorted out my Sartre obsession). I'd also like to meet Joseph Smith---though I'm not terrified of Mormons. On the other hand, I am not that bothered about McVeigh.
  • Lori - Yes, I have read the Book of Mormons - hence the fear! lol! I do specialize in interesting and strange.

    Pussreboots - I thought so.
  • Interesting list. Happy TT.
  • A fear of Mormans? Now that's a new one (smile). Have you ever glanced at The Book Of Morman. I did while staying at a hotel in New Orleans this summer. Interesting and strange stuff. Sort of like your list (smile).
  • Malcolm - Yes, wouldn't that be fascinating!?! What do you think happened?

    WFM - Lots to learn, that's for sure!

    Greatfullivin - Harry Chapin - that's a fun idea!

    Lara - Amelia Earhardt - good idea! I would also like to know what happened to her and Bessie Coleman.
  • What an original idea!! I love the idea and loved your list! I would only add Amelia Earhardt. I'd love to find out what exactly happened to her plane!!
    Happy TT and thanks for visiting!
  • Quite an interesting list. A lot of spiritual people. I think I would choose some of the same. I would also add Harry Chapin. Happy TT! BTW, thanks for stopping by!
  • WFM
    Wow, what a mind challenging post! Interesting indeed.
  • You compiled quite an eclectic list of people. I too would like to chat with Marilyn. I would esp. be interested in hearing her recount the events of August 5th, 1962.
  • Josie - We should talk to Marilyn together. I agree that she was so smart and so talented. It's often over looked because she was beautiful - funny too. I think it would be great fun to get all these guys together.

    Morgan - I think it would be fun to talk to George Washington and/or Thomas Jefferson. Amazing mavericks!

    Susie J - Yes, who would you talk to??

    Nicholas - Winston Churchill? That's a great suggestion. Just to be around him would be fun. I do love Fats Waller. Eh, who knows if they existed? It's a fun to think about what they would say. Would they argue? or agree?

    Awareness - Lost...lots... they are kind of the same! Yes, do post your own list. I'd love to see it. I realized when I was done that all of the people were extraordinarily brave and stood up for their convictions. That just resonates with me right now!

    Raggedy - Now that would be fun. Can you imagine Marilyn and Muhammad at the same table?

    Breeni - Thanks. I would love to see what your list would be! Who would you talk to?

    Susan Helen Gottfried - I bet you'd come up with some fascinating and fun people to speak with. Maybe rock stars for your band??
  • Fascinating list! I'm not sure who I'd include if I had to make one. I think I'm glad I'm not facing this sort of challenge, myself!

    Happy TT! Glad you stopped by!
  • This is an amazing TT! I'll have to ponder my own list of people I'd like the chance to speak with. Great idea! Happy TT!
  • What an interesting gathering you would have if you all sat down together for an evening.
    Terrific Thursday Thirteen!
    My TT is posted.
    Have a wonderful day!
    Happy TT'ing!
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    Raggedy
  • i meant to write LOTS not lost! yeah...........proof read before clicking. ooops....
  • What a terrific list...........so thought provoking, interesting, humourous, intriguing. Napolean Hill? I have never read his name on any blog before. I have read some of his stuff and have always been interested.

    You've picked a lot of people who were real pioneers....Sartre with the existentialism movement, Hill and the self help movement, Smith and mormonism.......the religious gurus............I had never heard of madame walker before. What a fascinating woman and an amazing story.

    I leave with lost to think about and perhaps may post my own list in the future.

    cheers to you.

    happy halloween.
  • That is an impressive list. And I am surprised at some of the inclusions. Not the names one might expect. I may have to steal this idea! I'd include my hero, Winston Churchill and instead of Glenn Miller I'd have a real jazz artist like Bix Beiderbecke or Fats Waller. Your #13 is a nice idea. Assuming all 4 of them actually existed (doubtful) I think there would be some loud arguing after a while!
  • This is creative. Something to really think about ....
  • I really like your thirteen. Number 13 really got me thinking.

    :-) Happy TT.

    The only person I would really talk to that isn't on your list would probably be George Washington or Thomas Jefferson.

    Just because I'm partial to them.
  • Josie
    Claudia, what a fabulous post....! I would love to have a conversation with Marilyn Monroe as well. I think she was fabulous, and under-rated as far as her intelligence and acting abilities. She far outshines anyone today.

    And I once told my Munchkin Freddie that I would like to get Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, Moses all together around a table, and having a conversation with them. I said they would probably all be on the "same page" philosophically.
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